Our black oak and white oak areas are in open and ajoining areas. I cant thank you enough!!! If you have a high traffic home with lots of dogs or children, or youre always walking across your wood floors with your dirty shoes, then you might want to consider this commercial grade option. Description. Rolling Loba Invisible is a walk in the park. I just put a towel under the dog bed and will worry about it some other time. I wanted oil, he convinced me this was the way to go. and If so, which one would you recommend? I think you might be able to get the finish tested to prove this theory and then legally pursue payment with damages and court fees covered if he does not take responsibilty. I am thinking of using Rubio for our kitchen, dining room, living room, entry way and bathroom. I would get that issue sorted out first. If anything, it just darkens the grain part of the wood and leaves the light part of the wood almost the same color as raw wood. Vacuuming of the surface + water-damp tack cloth of the entire floor then go for lunch, 3. It wouldn't have been practical for me to turn off the central heat given my parameters. Here we are applying this water-based finish, (Unfortunately we cant work this fast in real life.). Only 2 COATS of product can be applied within a 24 hour window. THIS IS THE PRODUCT you want to look at. At this home in Sandy, it was a surprise to find that the base plate under the spindles was not only not 3/4" thick, but it was a veneer. It can be an issue with water based finishes though like you were told. Because the reports are written to meet Court Standards of an "Expert Witness" (Canada and Australia have almost identical court requirements) the THREAT of having someone investigate the application is enough to bring GCs back to the table. These products are designed to be applied with a roller, painters pad or t-bar. They do NOT have to do a full sand/refinish. Our flooring guy plans to use this product for our floors. What color stain would you put on your floors to eliminate these colors? I am not super fast. If you have children or other people in the house, it would be a smart move to have them leave the home while fumes are active.Tannin is a brown-colored chemical compound that resides in wood and some other organic matter, and it can be pulled to the surface and stain wood when exposed to water or waterborne coatings. 2-coat full system requiring no primer Increased anti-slip properties No polishing His advice was that the finish cures so quickly that you need at least two and maybe three people helping in order to do edge work plus center rolling to maintain the wet edge before it starts to cure and/or pull tannin. You are obviously an expert in the industry which is evident by your detailed and educated blog articles and comments. Especially when homeowner moves from one extreme (high gloss) to the other (extra matte). I have a red oak floor waiting to be finished. Here is a recent post for starters: https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6286234/tannin-pull-with-loba-invisible#n=6. As far as finishes, whether it is a 2 component or single wont matter as far as the color. You can see our latest update of it here: https://napervillehardwood.com/blog/revisited-pallmann-magic-oil/. This is what I was afraid of. You really should have 3 coats of Traffic HD if you do NOT have a sealant. mark.. please, this just isnt ok, surely???? We are still in a dilemma here. It was done over time: the earliest was installed in 2002, then about 2006 and then 2010. Loba products do have a shelf life and need to be fresh. 56-62 | D-71254 Ditzingen | service(@)loba.de. I *believe the EasyPrime allows two coats (don't quote me on thatplease make sure your pro knows if 1 or 2 coats is allowed). Regardless, our contractor has agreed to refinish the floors and we want to do it right this time and we are hoping you can give us some good advice. God bless you for your willingness to help so many people! Some people have had great success with Loba's 2K Invisible AT (beware that you get the right product, because Loba still produces a non-AT version of both Invisible and Supra that isn't as durable. Sorry for the late reply. I have two wood flooring refinishers telling me that Monocoat isnt a very good finish for Fir floors in kitchen because it isnt very hard, dont resist water very well, they develop wear paths quickly, and they dont repair as well as the companies who sell them would make you think. Thanks again, in advance! The rug is new & only been on the floor for 2 weeks ( the floors were done 3 months ago). ), 9. Maybe that's how all floors are and I've just never had the luxury of being home this much to let it build up, but it annoyed me to see my beautiful floors look like that. Is this a good choice? Finish system for cement-based levelling compounds | Factory Line, At the Paul Smith Store in Mayfair, London approx. How many coats were applied to your floor? This Park City homeowner's wood beams have taken on an orange tone, her brown baseboards have a slight green undertone in some areas from sun exposure, and she had her kitchen cabinets painted black several years ago. Im interested in your thoughts on that also. Installing the wood floors prior to the installation of the cabinets, we thought that the transition on the back of the cabinet was going to happen one way, but the reality was a little different than what we expected. These reports can be enough to shake a GC out of their 'nope; don't wanna' attitude. Do you want sheen of any type? Because you have chosen to use Loba's waterborne Invisible (which is a good choice to avoid the ambering you would get from an oil-based product but not as good as oil when it comes to tannin pull), the risk is there with that waterborne coating of creating stains on the flooring. Were always happy to help. Just to be MORE confusing, Bona Traffic NATURALE is a FINISH To get a sealant onto the floor you MUST have raw wood (which means all the work that has already been done = has to be done again). We wanted to use the clearest and most durable water-based poly on the market and Bona was the number one recommended by many online professionals as well as our contractor. @HU-231824251 Do you know exactly which finish was contracted for use on your flooring? I came across your blog while researching floor finishes. Their quote said they were an NWFA member. I ended up getting a Bissell Spinwave mop that I run every other weekend between the weeks when my housekeeper comes. Hi Tadas, Thanks for the great info. Ive read bona traffic and traffic HD are amazing but they are very pricey. A wooden floor that feels completely natural. Does this indicate I am using a different Loba products now, or does the newly finished surface need to "age" to acquire the same look as the rest of the flooring? Yes Provincial is a nice color and will make your floors stand out against all of that Golden Oak. All water based finishes MUST HAVE a sealant when used over white oak. As far as toning down the red give it a couple of years and they will darken naturally. You can see the results of our months of testing and more detailed information about these finishes here: Pallmann Magic Oil original review and the 2023 update. I am in a panic since I spent alot of money to have it installed and dont have condo insurance. Suitable for parquet, wooden and cork floors. A water based finish will be clear and not change the color much in comparison. The older flooring is showing some wear and needs to be refinished.) They just need a little help re: sanding. If youre open to a non-conventional finish approach, appreciate the many benefits they offer and can live with the minor downsides, then one of the two hardwax oil systems above could be perfect for your home. You are in summer time so leave the rugs off the floor until winter 2021. Javascript must be enabled for the correct page display, (Comments are moderated and may take a couple of days to be approved.). This modern twist to a classic floor provided the right balance for the home and homeowners. As in a POLISH mark. In the last article we compared all of the finish systems side-by-side and ended up choosing the 3 best by process of elimination. We have used it, but not enough to recommend it fully. The hardener is what catalyzes the coating, provides chemical resistance, and makes the coating tough enough to last a couple of decades. It keeps them on their toes (they are chemistry geeks and they LOVE a good challenge). My loss! Even beyond the technical explanation, in practice the fumes smell too strong for me to tolerate without fresh air flowing through, even while masked with an N95. That ONE irritant will be removed from your home. Our floors in the various rooms are white oak, black oak and maple. We dont have a lot of experience with this product just yet. @nataliapaul Since I wrote my previous comment, I've actually started a project with Loba's WS EasyPrime and 2K Supra AT with the help of @SJ McCarthy and @G & S Floor Service and several others here at Houzz and with YouTube application videos featuring Loba rep Tom Zagula. We need to go with waterborne for two reasons, allergies and time. 56-62, 71254 Ditzingen Genutzte Technologien: Cookie (lobaOptin) Verarbeitete personenbezogene Daten: keine Rechtsgrundlage: 25 Abs. We are almost certainly not going to use a water-based poly again due to the fear of the elasticity causing the white line effect again in the gaps and eventually peeling. Thank you. And Loba has a US website or a European Website. We havent used Supra AT on a project yet but we have been experimenting with it. DuraSeal is a great company. Just to confirmif we use Bona Natural or Bona Nordic, do we NEED at Finisher? and wondered what youd recommend for a finish? Told them the gap would be more pronounced because of color and can't really fill them with the seasonal movements. Just wanted to share how incredibly happy I am with our Loba 2k Invisible Protect A.T. finish. Although the Loba 2K Supra AT is supposed to reach a full cure in 5 days, I and others have noted that this product does continue to harden for several weeks. These spots can indicate a BOND issue in those spots. If my hardwood floor contractor has not used this line, will he be able to do properly? We cant even vacuum our floors with our new ( and expensive) hand free Dyson as it leaves permanent track marks. You do not need a sealer with Loba Invisible. Verarbeitendes Unternehmen: Google Ireland Limited, Google Building Gordon House, 4 Barrow St, Dublin, D04 E5W5, Irland Genutzte Technologien: Cookies (VISITOR_INFO1_LIVE, YSC, PREF), Local Storage Verarbeitete personenbezogene Daten: IP-Adresse, angesehene Videos, Gerteinformationen, Referrer-URL Rechtsgrundlage: Art. No enhancement or intensification of the light colour of the wood, the original colour is retained. Day 6 AFTER the final coat: family can move back in - furniture can be GENTLY placed on the floor - no shoes in the house or hard toys played with on the floor, 12. 2 Nr. Be prepared to make adjustments as condtions changes through the day and from day to day. 44ff DSGVO Einwilligung (Art. except it's a very durable coating that will protect these well used floors. I am experimenting with the Monocoat Universal Maintenance Oil and the satin soap but have no experience. I would suggest a sample section of each first so you know for sure. I am trying to decide between Rubio Monocoat vs. Pallmans Magic Oil, with no stain. I have no regrets about this choice but wanted to share my experience living with it as there isn't much of that here. Outstanding chemical and wear resistance. It kind of defeats the purpose of the Invisible Protect. It's a non-traditional application not being entirely flat, but I'm really impressed with the coating and wanted to share a few of my observations thus far: That's all for now. These two coats can be used in lieu of 1 of the Bona Traffic HD coats. The 'Bona' Directions are for a VERY different Bona product line. Post a picture of the chemical you spilled on it and the wheels of your vacuum. I'm in a much better place now. Difficult for a professional to do well? We know that houses settle over time, but we had 1 corner of subfloor that was over 2" below the bottom of the baseboards! Jun 17, 2018 - I don't know why I'm writing another post about my floors. That floor is a live sawn cut. Checked on the floors today after 4 hours and they seem a bit rough? I, for one, wouldn't be investing in a table that wasn't already factory finished. Im interested in using either loba invisible or ciranova hard wax oil magic for sealing lightly stained white oak trim to obtain a non yellowing and low sheen look. The best bet would be to use a stain over the sanded wood, before applying the finish. If it is going over a stained oak floor, will the top-coats appearances be noticeably different from one another? It is my best guess that you will want windows open to clear fumes for at least an hour or so while working with each wet layer, then you can close them back up to get your heated or air conditioned air back into the area. Traffic HD is a great water based system. The stress of our contractor becoming difficult & dismissive & blaming us for not looking after our floor has been too much. Be patient and give it time, the color will blend in as the finish oxidize. While I am located far away, I would be happy to refer you clients should the occasion arise. It often takes time for the whole vision to become a reality. 1 S. 1 a DSGVO, 25 Abs. The good thing is that it goes away fairly quickly as the freshly exposed wood levels out with the rest that's been exposed. What to know? 1 S. 1 a DSGVO, 25 Abs. Hi Tadas, Thank you so much for all your great info, testing and pictures you have so kindly shared here. Beautiful job Daniel & Jose. 2 Nr. And that a sealer should not be used with the Invisible product. The Bona Traffic HD is the non-yellowing option. Can you mix satin and semi-gloss for a slight sheen? Also, based on the type of wood I have should I look for a company that uses the hardwax oil finishes? 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