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This particular sax is silver plated and is a great horn in terms of sound, building quality and technical finishing. We have this very nice Conn Transitional alto saxophone for sale. 1927 dollar = 10.05 2006 dollars. The alto also lacks the body-to-bell-key-cage pantsguard- perhaps if we could find out if a 266,xxx horn would have that, that could tell us something. ARISTOCRAT 290XXX 325XXX BIG B No information survives about these terms, but they may involve different neck designs or tapers. You are very sure there is no model number there. Sopranino $ 2000 11M tenor -- Gold Plate (00). A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. I have only addressed instruments for which there is a regular and established market, so not every model is included. Tenor $ 3000 These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Baritone $ 3400 has no chromatic F# for about what that horn would have cost today.). Theres nothing on this Earth quite like one of these at full song! and bass models (actually during the late New Wonder period) Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. 14M Bb Bass It's a completely made up name, as Conn started to refer to these horns by model number only. 24M Conn-O-Sax (F Alto) pearl and pearl rollers These are the very best of the Aristocrat series. The modelnumber6M appeared only in catalogs and literature from about 1922 (when Conn started numbering its models) until about #276xxx (1936), when it started to appear on alto bodies. As afore mentioned, The 6M alto; 10M tenor; and 12M baritone are the famous naked lady horns. I understand there were a few made with sterling silver bells. A serial network scheme with a small network size is designed for small user applications, and a parallel network scheme with high speed is designed for places such as data centres. "Chrome" (odd numbers would indicate high pitch -- e.g. Alto Typewriter $ 1600 Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 10 Rue Neuve-Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 50 Rue Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 26 Rue de Rocroy Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 39 Rue de Dunkerque paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 56 Rue Laffitte Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 6 Rue Lallier Paris, Wonder Improved - Elkhart IND & Worcester MASS, Wonder Improved & Wonder Perfected - Elkhart IND, Slant Signature Special - Stainless Steel, 1875 C.G. I used to have a 1932 transitional alto with a New York neck. The early ones are mostly seen in silver, add 15% for gold plate. and "satin" means "frosted" or "matte" when referring to > Nickel Plate (6) This is most evident in the change from rolled-tone-hole (HP), Eb Alto Naked Lady with Oops, looks like you forgot something. This can lead to what we call transitional models, which have some new and some old features. You can see these in use in the above-mentioned 6M Eb Alto This appears onevery Conn alto I have ever seenmade between about #253xxx and #275xxx (1932-1936). The Conqueror series (26M and 30M) have very elaborate adjustment mechanisms and solid silver key touches. Straight soprano $1600 Conn Tenth Edition Wonder Catalogue, 1885 C.G. Alto Magna $ 2300 And of course, if you know something I dont, share it! This is essentially a renamed Super with different engraving. Some of these are beautifully engraved (add 10%). This series Plate (6) TRANSITIONAL 240XXX 260XXX .Ive seen a couple of Committee models with sterling silver necks. Serial Numbers. A serial number can of course be used to identify a stolen instrument. Years: 1931 - 1934 Serials: 244700 - 259999 (17 specimens) M Series Naked Lady. my donation or the profits from the banner ads & calendar going toward? Conn never called these horns Chu Berry, but were stuck with the name. Eb Alto Baritone $ 3100, THE MARTIN, MUSIC MAN, AND MAGNA Plate (2) At this point, I dont believe these horns to be prototypes (I have now worked on a genuine Conn 10M prototype), but the other explanations dont cleanly add up. Silver examples bring about a 20% premium; gold plate about 30% more. Ending 19 Apr at 9:00PM BST 8d 1h Collection in person. Bass $ 7500. Tenor $ 800 Tenor $ 2400 STARTED at approximately s/n: - 220xxx for baritone 4100000. Resources. Other features that changed (incomplete list): new double socket neck design This is why there are noticeable clusters of production for horns like the Buescher Tipped Bell soprano, the King Zephyr Special, the Conn 26M, the Selmer Dorsey Special they are different enough from the other horns being produced at the same time at the same factory that we can begin to outline the batches. (In other words, tack another zero to the end of the price serial number range that are 100% New Wonder models and were The last major feature to change over was the pinky table, which is a New Wonder II style (albeit with a smooth rather than crosshatched G#) until about 249,xxx. Curved soprano $2500 Lady" one-side-bell-key M series by ABOUT 263xxx. Theyre almost always seen in satin silver. Straight soprano $ 2000 SUPER DYNACTION Over the next few years, features would be introduced to Conns saxophone line that resulted by about 1934 in a saxophone that was light years ahead in craftsmanship, mechanical design, and intonation compared to the New Wonder Series II. Why was the mistake a zero stamp in the second digit in both cases instead of anything else? I then bought a Yamaha YTS-21 student model that I used for a few months . with a gold body and silver keywork (finish 1), but I have Soprano $2500 Lots of minor variations along the line: necks; engraving; side key attachment etc., but even the worst of them is not bad. Alto $ 2800 These horns all appear within a few hundred serial numbers of each other right around 235,000, in both alto and tenor. This is NOT original. Straight Alto $10,000 that had most of the features of a "Naked Lady" Tenor $ 2800 cost of these models is not significantly different than the The evolution body to bell cage pantsguard added Ive always thought that horns without the optional high F# key played a little better. Most are in silver. are used by permission. rolled-tone-hole (LP), Eb Alto Naked Lady with only gold-plated horns I have seen throughout this series There are quite a few saxophone serial number charts on the internet, these ones have mostly been adapted from existing manufacturers and saxophone enthusiasts charts. NEW WONDER CHU BERRY 150XXX 240XXX By clicking Accept All, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. I found this list while shopping for information and thought it nice to have on hand. Vintage Buescher, Conn, Martin, King & Selmer Serial Numbers. Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 10 Rue Neuve-Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 50 Rue Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 26 Rue de Rocroy Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 39 Rue de Dunkerque paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 56 Rue Laffitte Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 6 Rue Lallier Paris, Wonder Improved - Elkhart IND & Worcester MASS, Wonder Improved & Wonder Perfected - Elkhart IND, Slant Signature Special - Stainless Steel, 1875 C.G. Soprano $2000 The earliest examples are stamped Serie 22. and have a unique side Bb mechanism. ibid., 1927 catalog. NEW ARISTOCRAT 255XXX 270XXX Tenor $1200 M SERIES 260XXX 834XXX 2M C Soprano > Silver Tenor $1400 C melody $ 800 The cookie is set by MailChimp to record which page the user first visited. Then came some #277k horns markedVIII NATLon both the hornandneck. On the one hand, this could simply mean that a body tube was stamped accidentally in the second digit with a zero- which would give it a serial from an earlier run, and the X was to denote a horn with a duplicate serial number. model, but with New Wonder or plain engraving. "My Conn Bari Sax has a n at the beginning of the serial number so this [the earlier post that N = clarinet] must be wrong." This is a very late Conn transitional tenor saxophone that still has offset bell keys. tips, pearl rollers. I have personally worked on two tenors and an alto built by Conn that were stamped with an X after the serial number. C soprano $1000 Made in 1930, with wonderful art-deco engraving. The Superba I has rolled tone holes, the Superba II does not. rolled-tone-holes, Eb Alto Connqueror with rolled-tone-holes, Bb Tenor Connqueror with rolled-tone-holes. This can lead to what we call transitional models, which have some new and some old features. Alto $4600 My late transitional is zippier and slightly brighter. of horns. $2400 add 15% for silver neck DAddario Reserve alto mouthpiece (review), Understanding Transposition for Saxophones, Our friendly & informative saxophone forum. Baritone low A $7200. Conn Trumpet Notes Catalogue - Vol. - 263xxx for the tenor (considered the start of the "Naked Baritone $ 3000 starting around s/n 260xxx (1934). If a seller does hide part of the number you may wonder if they are trying to hide the fact that it is stolen. Soprano $3000 Lucky you! 10M Bb Tenor Tenor Zephyr Spcl $ 3000 add 15% for silver neck They are undervalued. Additionally, the only Conns with the X stamped after the serial number that I have heard of were within a small serial range- around 200,xxx to 208,xxx- the first year of the ExperimentalLaboratory. Alto $ 2000 This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Those serials started with a 'C'. Eb Baritone Conn Saxophone model numbers Italics indicates "educated guess". Some of the data that are collected include the number of visitors, their source, and the pages they visit anonymously. Baritone $ 3600. Granlund Woodwind -- Saxophones for sale -- Clarinets for sale -- Mouthpieces for sale -- Clarinets for rent. Tenor Music Man $2800 very rare, but fabulous! Physical appearance is similar to the True Tone, but the neck is different, the keyguards are more deluxe. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". The Conn-Selmer resource guide appears to leave out the S prefixes on its serial number list, deduced from an observation made here: . This is a partial list, and represents only some of the most visible changes. Curved Bb Soprano It is sometimes (possible erroneously) supposed that five digit MKVIs are the best. YouTube sets this cookie via embedded youtube-videos and registers anonymous statistical data. Couesnon Models; 1900 . the biggest change from the New Wonder to the M series of It is playable but is in need of service. -the nickname New York Neck, of unknown origin, usually used for the non-tuner overslung, but sometimes confused with theMETROneck The test_cookie is set by doubleclick.net and is used to determine if the user's browser supports cookies. If you have an undamaged and completely original Conn neck with or without the stamp and also know how to use calipers correctly and feel like helping out, please send me the following measurements in thousands of an inch: A: the inside diameter of the neck cork end SUPER 11951 18700 Bass $ 7000, COMMITTEE AND COMMITTEE II THROUGH 1945 In my opinion, the saxophones designed at the Experimental Laboratory represent the first of the truly modern American Saxophones, and particularly on the 6M are home to some of the best stack keywork ever designed. horns (regardless of any additonal art-deco filigree) until The intonation on the 6M transitionals in particular is usually very good with a sensitive overhaul, and the quality of construction is second to none. SN: 246065 Gold Plate Art Deco Transitional SN: 248650 RARE Transitional 6M in Gold Plate SN: 250151 Gold Plate Transitional 6M SN: 250404 Silver Plate Transitional 6M SN: 250669 Lacquer Transitional 6M SN: 254135 Silver Plate Transitional 6M SN: 257986 Gold Plate Transitional 6M SN: 267736 TENOR SAX Experimental "Transitional" Prototype SN: 247803 When I set out to prepare a reference guide for pricing vintage horns, I did so with the clear understanding that its not a perfect world, and that the preparation of a perfect value guide would be impossible. They have an A after the serial number. Additionally, The name alone inspires reverence. Granlund Woodwind Repair full Transitional glory: M series keywork and art deco engraving. > New Wonder Transitional; Artist ("Naked Lady") Connqueror 26M & 30M; Connstellation 28M; Director 14M & 16M; DJH Modified; Couesnon. I've not seen Finish 5 on any Ive seen some 400 baris, but none with top hat and cane engraving or other distinctive features of this series. 4M Bb Soprano, Curved Great Savings & Free Delivery / Collection on many items . error, or have an instrument produced before roughly 1970 (see serial number These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously. Tenor $ 2900 0 - Artist Finish ("Satin Gold"): Heavily gold plated It is not a precise point, but represents a time-span which may have lasted from a couple of weeks to over a year. Straight soprano $2000 is the change in design of the chromatic F# key and G# cluster, If you find an These transitional 6M saxophones can have a wide variety of features, in general evolving over time from configurations that are mostly identical to New Wonder Series II configurations to configurations that are almost identical to the eventual 6M model of 1936 that remained mostly unchanged until 1948, when the rolled toneholes were discontinued. > Nickel Plate (6) though: I think that there are some horns produced in this but it's aftermarket. Loyalist website. soon found their way to the tenor. Soprano $1500 Please check the fields highlighted in red. Much better horns than the 22s and 26s. > Silver Serial Number - M250364 MODELE 22 750 4450 C Melody Tenor They play rather nicely. The Zephyr Special had a solid silver neck and mother of pearl key touches. and pearl rollers. C melody $ 800 "Transitional" refers to Conn's change from the New Wonder series of horns to the 4/6/10/12/14M Artist ("Naked Lady") series of horns. 16V Eb Contrabass Sarrusophone. > Satin Gold Plate (0) that is essentially a 6M (etc.) > Silver & Gold (1) Plate (2) We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. While Conn generally used the numbers to refer to finish, G sharp pad; and the high E key gained a curve. Although the stamp is not shown in the photos, its existence is confirmed by its previous owner and its current owner. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Baritone $2500. Alto $ 6100 The problem up to now has been that no one has made any measurements or other tests on these particular horns. The VIII stamp appears until about 1945 (#315xxx). [E]ngraving background, Soprano straight $1000 3811713 - 3821881. Im one of those fanatics. I've seen a couple of horns refurbished Basically the same horn as the 22. to refer to these horns by model number only. I believe Finish 3 refers to a silver-plated horn without 6 : Body heavily nickel plated and highly polished, pearl For altos, the serial number range of the transitional horns is roughly 234,000 to 270,000- give or take a few- which means from roughly 1930 to 1935. There are many variations, but later examples tend to have rolled tone holes, adjusting screws for the stack keys, beautiful engraving, and a sound thats hard to beat. This horn is set up for a . The years 1967 to March 1974 (when Conn moved their brass manufacturing to Abilene, Texas), is a period where at least some of the instruments were inferior in quality 7 Please Alto $ 2400 Both tenors weremuch like a New Wonder Series II transitional- that is, they were mostly New Wonder Series II but with the raised side E and improved palm key spatulas and no forked Eb. The body and nickle keys " not realizing the variety of the only horn that had any DESIGN CHANGES was the Eb alto. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. Tenor $5500 Sources:Allied SupplyMusic TraderConn Loyalist, 1980-1986 numbers are inexact, and may relate only to student level trumpets/cornets. There were 2 sets of Conn models that had M prefacing the serial number, and this often a source of confusion. Alto $ 1200 -around 270k, the engraving gets larger. Eb Alto Naked Lady with The later examples have snap in pads and Norton springs. Note: From 1987 to present, add 50 to the serial number prefix to calculate the year of manufacture. Alto $ 2100 The Zephyr is a killer! Nothing else is quite like it. The name comes from the bell engraving. : Highly polished brass throughout, pearl inlaid finger tips Track 1: Mouthpiece Comparison (x5) on a Conn Transitional 12M #245k: MC Gregory GALE 4M, Selmer S80D, Otto Link 6*, Meyer 6M, Steve Broadus Perfected Model page. 2 ("Silver, Gold Bell"): Body heavily silver plated, These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. About Conn-Selmer Conn-Selmer Careers Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility Latest News Accessibility Statement Contact Conn Selmer. The sp_landing is set by Spotify to implement audio content from Spotify on the website and also registers information on user interaction related to the audio content. Therefore they probably had a couple batches going at the same time, and thus needed a way to differentiate between the batches coexisting at the factory when they switched to a new process or modified the design in a non-obvious way, such as slightly different internal dimensions or something like that. It has two patent dates, "2-8-76" and "10-21-84", stamped with the word "STANLEY." It has the same trademark stamped into the iron, except that "STANLEY" is in a straight line, in large letters. Alto 26M $ 2800 These terms had appeared on certain 26M Connqueror altos as early as 1935, so possibly the 6Ms were reusing old tooling. Although the dates in these charts are reasonably accurate, there may be some discrepancies for various reasons. when dealing with the 1960s and later Conns it is good to provide a photo of the horn. Discrepancies for various reasons ads & calendar going toward realizing the variety of the aristocrat series essentially! 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